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  • t
    Alternatively, put each of those in a separate file, then have your code call a file that looks like this:
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    php
<?php
require 'logic.php';
require 'view.php';
  • g
    hmm, if the required form data is not received, why not respond with a 400 error? that way htmx would keep showing the old form and we could also get it to show an error message?
  • q
    That was my thought too, thanks!
  • q
    Thanks guys for the answers!
  • r
    do { } while (false);
  • r
    Replied to the wrong message but yes
  • r
    I wish- can work, but comes with the gotcha of `break`only working on 1 level of loop at a time.
  • r
    so if you 
    for
    or 
    foreach
    over anything in your input checks...
  • f
    I saw someone doing a foreach loop in a for loop or something and their attempt at breaking both was setting a bool then both loops did 
    continue
    and 
    continue 2
    if bool was true
  • s
    Why are you messing with raw PHP? I am curious.
  • f
    Why not
  • q
    I recently realised thats its a very capable language on its own and also just for fun 😀
  • q
    But for my normal projects I use Python with Flask or Fastapi
  • r
    fundamentally its just headers/body in, headers/body out. and vanilla php comes with pretty much everything, and is ultra-fast and reliable if you play into its strengths, ex: stick blocking work into a queue.
  • r
    Having worked nearly 5 years in python now, to this day I still find it shocking how many ASGI frameworks (starlette, fastapi, etc) don't care about crash resiliency and anti-ddos the way PHP does, even though I'm of course a big fan of python. Same in node. I maintain a bunch of patches for uvicorn now (the FastAPI server) to add graceful worker reload, reload on worker crash, etc. That will likely never see mainline. Sanic at least does this stuff, though
  • f
    Plus, doing raw PHP is a great way to learn how it works by principle, you can achieve a lot of things with very little, I don't need to get a lot of dependencies using a framework to do simple things. And it natively plays in the hands of htmx, as PHP naturally outputs HTML.
  • r
    Yup yup. The layer at which PHP sits at is really well targeted, reminds me of htmx a lot in this way.. just gives you the fundamental building blocks of the web.
  • r
    I feel really bad for newcomers of web in general, the fundamentals are so obfuscated by marketing and hype now, the building blocks so squirreled away. A lot of new people keep asking me if they should go into front-end or back-end and I'm like.. bros, you should know both... but that can seem insane now even when the two are both so intertwined.
  • r
    Leads to some really dubious decision making and cargo culting
  • r
    when one hand has no idea what the other is doing
  • r
    htmx shuts down the "you need react for SPA" trope which has been so damaging to the next generation of devs @mysterious-toddler-20573 🙏
  • s
    I do not mean to scare you away but .. PHP is brutally good 😄 And I have had my share of trying Django and Rails...
  • q
    I have some ideas for using it in the future 🙂 Also will try one of it's frameworks when I have the time
  • f
    Trying Laravel for the first time and I'm surprised how quickly I went to "I'm learning Laravel" to "I'm actually doing the things I want" I'm not used to be able to be productive that quickly
  • f
    htmx middleware for admin panel goes brrr
  • s
    Cool! Enjoy!
  • s
    check this out:https://laravel.com/docs/10.x/blade#rendering-blade-fragments
  • q
    This is amazing. Go has the same thing, it makes your templates really clean
  • r
    Not htmx but issue tracker in 1 file, under 500 lines: PHP + SQLite
  • s
    It shows how good PHP is for writing web apps. It's a lot of functionality in 500 lines. On the other hand nobody would like to write code like that for a day job I suppose...