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# community-supports
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Vampire
08/10/2023, 5:33 PMWhere would you expect them to be applied and why?
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Caleb Cushing
08/10/2023, 5:34 PMBuild source should be applied automatically? In theory I would think I could still call spotlessApply from the root. I know I forgotten some file or another just not sure which one.
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Vampire
08/10/2023, 5:36 PMNo, they are not
Vampire
08/10/2023, 5:37 PMThey are always on the classpath
Vampire
08/10/2023, 5:37 PMBut you still need to apply them where you want them
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Caleb Cushing
08/10/2023, 5:41 PMoh, derp, my modules don't have build.gradle.kts
Caleb Cushing
08/10/2023, 5:41 PM😕 I really wish gradle wouldn't silently fail so much
Caleb Cushing
08/10/2023, 5:41 PMI said look here, so tell me it's not there
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Vampire
08/10/2023, 5:46 PMI don't get you. Gradle never silently fails. Either it fails loudly or it is successful.
Having projects wihtout a dedicated build script is perfectly valid.
It is bad practice by now.
But back in the "good" old times, where you pushed all configuration down from the root build script, having physical build scripts for all projects was totally unnecessary.
Vampire
08/10/2023, 5:46 PMAnd if you prefer to fail if a buid script is missing, you could check for it in the settings script where you also define the projects that are part of the project
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Caleb Cushing
08/10/2023, 5:48 PMin the good old times? and yeah I'm sure I could write more code for something that should arguably be the default
Caleb Cushing
08/10/2023, 5:49 PMI want gradle to catch more of my stupids without me having to add code to do it. If I wasn't stupid I wouldn't need that 😉
Caleb Cushing
08/10/2023, 5:50 PMthings should tell me I'm stupid, and if I'm not I then should be able to change that
Caleb Cushing
08/10/2023, 5:50 PMjust my opinion
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Vampire
08/10/2023, 5:50 PMWell, great power / flexibility comes with great responsibility. 😄
Vampire
08/10/2023, 5:51 PMBut I'm sure there is some "tell me if I do stupid things" plugin out there 🙂
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Caleb Cushing
08/10/2023, 5:51 PMright, but see my above comment, it's like this thing I had to do the other day with java. I had to tell the jdk to allow the sun export. That isn't really a sensible default anymore
Caleb Cushing
08/10/2023, 5:51 PMbut it allowed me to say, no do it anyways
Caleb Cushing
08/10/2023, 5:54 PMI'm ok with linux distro's making
rm -iCaleb Cushing
08/10/2023, 5:55 PMjust my opinion, I write too much code telling gradle to do sanity checks...
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Vampire
08/10/2023, 5:56 PMYeah, well, any backwards-incompatible change needs a deprecation cycle through a major version.
And all needs effort to be done and Gradle folks are heavily short on resources anyway it seems.
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Caleb Cushing
08/10/2023, 6:00 PMyeah, and made more confusing by this idea, not asking for an API change... rather just a change in the behavior
Caleb Cushing
08/10/2023, 6:03 PMthough I've found that patches welcome for things like this isn't a thing... there are things like this I might send a PR
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Vampire
08/10/2023, 6:45 PMnot asking for an API change... rather just a change in the behavior"just" is funny. 😄 breaking changes that are "just" behavior changes are much worse than breaking changes where the API changes and it is obvious that something breaking happened
I've found that patches welcome for things like this isn't a thingNot sure what you mean. My PRs were all welcome so far. But it might just be, that I only sent things they thought make sense. 😄
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Caleb Cushing
08/10/2023, 6:46 PMI don't send PR's unless the idea is already welcome. I don't care to put my time into things that aren't going to be welcome
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Caleb Cushing
08/10/2023, 6:47 PMbreaking changes that are "just" behavior changes are much worse than breaking changes where the API changes and it is obvious that something breaking happenedthat's my point, although putting the new behavior behind a feature toggle... and emitting warnings. idk
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Vampire
08/10/2023, 7:00 PMOk, then I got you wrong, sorry. I understood you ask for a behavior change.