There's definitely a perception that "everyone get...
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witty-engineer-80805
05/19/2023, 4:26 PMThere's definitely a perception that "everyone gets cleaning help" and I'm wondering how accurate that is. ^^
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curved-toothbrush-84425
05/19/2023, 4:29 PMKeep in mind that people who are part of a personal finance slack group aren't necessarily representative of the general population
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acceptable-angle-23240
05/19/2023, 4:30 PMI'd like to challenge this by saying that everyone should do what works for them. It shouldn't matter what "everyone" does... although I happen to think that for most families (especially if both parents are working) it is a necessity.
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curved-toothbrush-84425
05/19/2023, 4:35 PMalthough I happen to think that for most families (especially if both parents are working) it is a necessity.The last part is pet peeve of mine. Necessity is very subjective, but by the standards of the world I have a hard time understanding how it can be a viewed as a necessity.
curved-toothbrush-84425
05/19/2023, 4:36 PM@witty-engineer-80805 Looks like the perception is fairly accurate 🙂
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acceptable-angle-23240
05/19/2023, 4:43 PM@curved-toothbrush-84425 not sure what you mean by the standards of the world. But to lay it out simply, if you have two working parents, multiple young children, and you want to maintain a certain level of cleanliness, you'll usually need help. That's what I mean...
Would love to hear from those who do with out, how they manage.
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fresh-pilot-83865
05/19/2023, 4:44 PMAlso I bet it varies by # of kids and # of working parents
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curved-toothbrush-84425
05/19/2023, 4:45 PMnot sure what you mean by the standards of the worldMost families have 2 working parents (about 65% as per google) and no cleaning help (only 10% as per google).
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straight-nightfall-20143
05/19/2023, 4:45 PMYou could also make a poll for how many times a week people get cleaning help
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acceptable-angle-23240
05/19/2023, 4:46 PM@curved-toothbrush-84425 now i get what you meant. and offer you this from google "In 2022, there was an average of 1.94 children under 18 per family in the United States." 🙂
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straight-nightfall-20143
05/19/2023, 4:48 PMAside from not being representative sample, the sample size is also tiny
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05/19/2023, 4:48 PMas a data scientist
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witty-engineer-80805
05/19/2023, 4:48 PMAdding in the "two working parents" factor would definitely improve the meaningfulness of the poll, yes.
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curved-toothbrush-84425
05/19/2023, 4:49 PMConsider its 12:1, the 2 working parents wouldn't change much
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witty-engineer-80805
05/19/2023, 4:50 PM@straight-nightfall-20143 I don't have the resources to conduct a poll that would be statistically significant by scientific terms. This was more of an aggregated anecdote than a statistic 🙂
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curved-toothbrush-84425
05/19/2023, 4:50 PM@acceptable-angle-23240 Definitely a valid point, but I think the word necessity is used far too quickly. Unless someone has physical disabilities I think having servants (which is what cleaning help basically is) should be classified as a luxury.
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steep-dog-55906
05/19/2023, 4:57 PMWhat does "regularly" vs "occasionally" mean? For years I had once every other week, which is regularly to me since it was a set schedule, but not at all the same as "someone else does my dishes and laundry" which some people interpret as a necessity for 2 parents working
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microscopic-psychiatrist-27869
05/19/2023, 5:07 PMIs your time worth more than the hourly cost of cleaning help?
microscopic-psychiatrist-27869
05/19/2023, 5:09 PMFor example, my wife is a full time student and part-time teaching alone pays double per hour the cost of cleaning help
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acceptable-angle-23240
05/19/2023, 5:11 PMThis is an interesting calculator for this: https://programs.clearerthinking.org/what_is_your_time_really_worth_to_you.html
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steep-dog-55906
05/19/2023, 5:12 PM@microscopic-psychiatrist-27869 that calculation only works in a vacuum if you can actually substitute the hours spent cleaning with earning money. I make more hourly than I spend on cleaning help, but I'm salaried, so its not like I can make more money by paying someone else to clean.
BH I have enough discretionary income that I can think about whether I want to spend that money on cleaning help so I can spend that time doing other things playing with my kids or reading
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witty-engineer-80805
05/19/2023, 5:13 PMI was considering any set schedule as regularly. As opposed to before yom tov or only in extenuating circumstances (a parent gets sick or has to travel or whatever)
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curved-toothbrush-84425
05/19/2023, 5:16 PM@steep-dog-55906 From a purely financial perspective you still technically could use that time to earn money (it might be at a different rate and job though)
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mysterious-tomato-10057
05/19/2023, 5:17 PMWe only get cleaning help erev Pesach. It's not always about how much your time is worth. I have Shiurim to listen to so might as well clean while listening.
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steep-dog-55906
05/19/2023, 5:19 PM@curved-toothbrush-84425 that argument could be made about anyone, including cleaning help! It really is very hypothetical until you have an offer that makes you more money. It's hard to find a job that I could do for 30 minutes a night, when my brain is on autopilot, that doesn't make me burnt out for working my actual job, that could pay me enough to make it all worth it.
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mysterious-tomato-10057
05/19/2023, 5:20 PMMy consulting fee is many times what I pay cleaning help but I still choose to clean myself lol. And I definitely have the ability to work for a random 30 minutes and bill it to clients.
mysterious-tomato-10057
05/19/2023, 5:20 PMSo there are definitely a lot more factors. It's not just about money
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witty-engineer-80805
05/21/2023, 3:24 AM@curved-toothbrush-84425 both my poll and yours arrived at between 20% - 25% of people not having cleaning help. That's if you count "occasionally" as yes, in my poll.