hi cfmlers, in one website i saw the live users being counted but there was no ajax functionality, it seems they were using some socket connections things , does anyone have anything like this, possibly a tutorial

google "cfwebsocket" and go from there. That'll be a good starting point, and there's examples etc.

ok, I was adobe websockets but could not find specific example in there

There seemed to be good stuff in the results from "cfwebsockets". At least enough to get started with.