Hey @alexpixl8. Since there isn't a thread for this, I'm throwing this out there. I'm sure there are plenty of folks here that love Lucee, myself included. As a product, Lucee is exceptional IMHO. But I've had a nagging feeling about Lucee for a while now. For example... Why is Lucee not growing? Why have members like Webapper left? What roadmap does Lucee have in 5 years? These are serious concerns, especially when there are viable alternatives. Not just CFML, but other languages too. From my point of view, Lucee does not have a code problem, they have a sales and marketing problem (although zackster is your shining light right now). For your consideration, here are some suggestions... 1. Start selling big name memberships. For example Apple, Microsoft, Meta, and maybe folks like 37 Signals. At minimum bring on high-profile board members for your board meetings, then report those meetings to the email address of every Lucee developer. 2. Convert to a SAAS model, offer a Good, Better, and Best. The Good can be 100% free, where Better and Best are annual paid licenses. I'm not a fan of this model, but there might be a market for it. 3. Do nothing and hope that your base will keep you afloat. Hope that helps.

All of these are very valid suggestions for a business that was looking to be sustainable, it’s not a business and as a community project operates on good will alone, there is no appetite that I can see for a mixed revenue model or an entity to actually receive it. At this point my post was merely highlighting the dire financial state the project is in because A it operates on a shoe string and b the handful of those that do financially support will likely from a good will stand point be asked to pay more. It’s frustrating because there are two ways of getting activity to do any of the things you recommend, 1 people donate time or 2 we pay people. Ideas are constrained by those 2 factors

Hey Alex, I think you may have missed my point, sorry. Good will does not pay the bills, but memberships will. Ruby on Rails, and PHP are not businesses either, they are foundations that are supported by members. Just like Lucee. To remain a foundation however, Lucee needs to sell memberships. Plain and simple. That means getting on the phone, and/or sending emails to prospects. Seems to me if you sold a few big-name organizations, your dilemma would be solved rather quickly. Cheers.

We already sell memberships. Seems to me you are suggesting I do more work for lucee on top of paying, happy to have your assistance to get on the phone or anyone? This isn’t a knowing what do thing. Plus that’s way more a lofty ambition than a small % of more companies that currently build their businesses on lucee donating to make sure it doesn’t disappear

How many folks on the board are from the US?

none

Would you be open to adding in someone from here, that has a lot of activity in the community (slack, events etc)

Yes, My experience is that all interest is well received https://www.lucee.org/contact.html

Been in the cf world since acf v3 and departed off and on since acf 10…worked on all of them though but my primary usage is Lucee.

What about a bit more transparency about what the current goals are, and where they're coming from ? And / or asking the community and members what they'd like to see, perhaps this is going on but visibility is an issue? And what about community time and / or code contributions, how can we get on board?

@Gareth a lot of this is just forum discussion on dev.lucee.org - Its not a big sit-and-plan community. here are some suggestions and a few volunteers trying to bang out an open-source alternative to AFC. Do you want to get your hand on the wheel? You can sponsor Lucee to the level you are on the steering committee, or you can join the community and just start developing, throw up gists, and help out. Do not want to do any of that, develp something on it, push that software. If that doesnt work then offer up coding tips like Ben Nadel or others.