quick question: I see on the CF site that the lice...
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quick question: I see on the CF site that the license pricing isn't listed. It's a "contact our sales team" kind of deal. Are the license prices the same for every customer? What are the typical prices for standard and enterprise, and are they under NDA if you purchase?
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There used to be resellers with fixed prices
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Huh. I wonder why licenses would be sold indirectly. Most software from large vendors is sold direct - just visit the site, put the thing in the cart, and check out. meh - was just curious. I know we pay a few grand for our licenses, but I don't remember exact numbers.
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Enterprise server software is often "call for details". I remember trying to get WebSphere pricing at one point... quite the run around and it ended up being a combination of physical servers and CPU count and so on. And it was insanely expensive too of course.
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Just be careful of the information you share with the sales reps.
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:reads Michael's blog and welcomes him into 2017:
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Just sayin, its on point about the Alligator tactics; sleazy...just go Lucee
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Who's Michael Born?
(wondering what OSS projects he's talking about there)
According to his GH bio, he's part of the Ortus team... Can't say as I've heard of him or any of his OSS projects but I do sympathize with his frustrations... Even Macromedia volume licensing was a bit of a black art and it's only gotten more so under Adobe (and I know even Mark Takata is frustrated by it -- I won't @ him since he's on a well-earned vacation). I will say that Lucee isn't really any better as far as the "big picture" is concerned. They've also been resolutely deaf to pleas to fix certain bugs, they're pretty terrible about documentation (there used to be an argument that "we're CF-compatible so you should consult the CF docs"), and they also introduce regressions and break widely-used software from time-to-time. They are "better" on pricing simply because they're free but the sort of companies that have enterprise support licenses with Adobe aren't going to switch to Lucee without similar support contracts in place and I don't think the Lucee org can realistically offer that... And I will say that $2,500 per year in support is peanuts. We were using a proprietary search engine for a while (on-premise) and licensing/support for that was $6k per month.
As for some of the claims in his blog post, Adobe has addressed similar comments here in the past (e.g., about new customers buying CF), and when devs from small-ish companies have echoed some of those complaints, Mark T has been quick to want to reach out to discuss specifics to address any real, rather than just perceived, issues.
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Yea Mark has been a savior for the community and communication but things still have a lot of work to go to restore that trust if possible with smaller companies
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Intergral sells it online: https://www.buy-adobe-software.com/ not sure if any other resellers still sell it online besides them
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ah, gotcha - k, that's probably a good way to ballpark it. I expect any seller is going to be not off from that by a whole ton
thanks
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A wild Mark appears! Honestly the absolutely easiest way I've found to use CF with transparent pricing is the AWS AMI. It's CF Enterprise, you choose your EC2 instance & you pay per hour. I will literally use it for demos where I need a public IP that isn't off Hostek. * runs back off to his last couple days of PTO