• BoxLang is a thing. What that thing is... Very Thing. Much Actually. Quite Box. • Lucee still exists, honest. • Whoa Mark Takata! Adobe remembered "Outside of US Govt" exists. Bring $$$.

Hey Adam, Good to know Lucee exists, I've had my concerns, I personally love what they do, not perfect, but perfect for me. I am really curious if you have an opinion on BoxLang at this point. I'm sure it is 100% Ortus, but do you see redeeming values? Cheers, Bill

I've migrated our legacy Lucee 4.5 app (running on CommandBox 3.8 on Java 8!) to BoxLang (running on CommandBox 6.0 an JDK 21), even tho' BL is still prerelease (they just cut Beta 1 today I think).

Thanks Sean! Yes, I've noticed some of the conversations you have had with Brad. Man, he is totally on it :) And yes, I've downloaded the web server version too, it's very light as you say, and easy to use. I know you don't have a crystal ball, but do you see this having an impact on Lucee long term? And in your opinion, does the commercial aspect of the Ortus brand deter you at all? To me, BL has a lot of potential, so much so that I'm trying to persuade Luis if I can help promote it. But it's important for me to know what guys like you and Adam think about it.

I actually consider Lucee more "commercial" than Ortus, TBH. I haven't paid much attention to Lucee lately so @Adam Cameron probably has more to say on the state of the project as an outside observer. My sense is that it is understaffed and undermarketed, and I get the impression that quality control and bug fixing needs some attention... but, like I say, that's just a vague sense from what I see here. I don't pay any attention to the Lucee Discourse server, for example. When Micha decided Lucee 5 would be based on OSGi, that pretty much killed the project for me. We have a bunch of "other JVM code" integrated into our Lucee app and there was no way to get it to work with OSGi, and that really accelerated our migration away from CFML. The one legacy app we have left has been pretty much untouched for several years, but we're concerned about the security of running an old CFML app on Java 8, which is why BoxLang appealed to us. I think that if Ortus continue to show as much activity and attention to the community as they are right now, BoxLang will become very attractive for CFML devs currently on Lucee. I don't know whether it would ever eat into ACF.

Adobes licensing $$$ for ACF just doesn't seem sustainable for those outside of US Gov