Is there such a thing as a "reverse job listing" r...
# jobs
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Is there such a thing as a "reverse job listing" resource in the ColdFusion community? IE: I don't want to post a job... I want to sift through resumes of CFML developers. Rather than saying "here's a job... apply if you're qualified," say "here's a bunch of developers. Reach out to any of them you like."
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The closest thing I can think of is Upwork.
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Yeah... that's what I was thinking. I didn't know if there was such a thing like getcfmljobs.com, except instead it's getcfmldevelopers.com.
...which I'm totally registering right now.
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I wonder if a CFML recruiter would be successful? Like someone that's just the go-to person if you're in CF and you either need a CF person or you're a CF person looking for work. I think sometimes it can be hard to be looking if you're currently employed and unhappy, this community is small and there's a high likelihood of your employer finding out if you posted publicly looking for a job.
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Maybe. However if my own experience with recruiters is any indication, I have zero faith in them actually reading resumes and considering qualifying candidates.
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The reverse would be dice or monsters, where a recruiter could go and search for a skill based upon keyword(s). The problem is, that nearly all recruiters lack understanding of the job requirements, and the hiring manager usually fails to properly communicate what they actually want.
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I think there's a root issue in that the vast majority of recruiters (in my experience) are basically useless, regardless of which language they're hiring for. After 27 years doing this stuff, I've met and know 5 I would trust to look for work for me, and 3 of them work for the same company (which makes sense). This is actually a really, really important discussion for me. Currently, I'm the one who is acting as this "recruiter", or perhaps a meta-recruiter, for folks on both sides. I get requests several times a week from folks both looking for people and for jobs. Currently I tell them to do the following, to hit the market at center mass: • LinkedIn Job Search (Both https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/search/?currentJobId=3802811198&keywords=coldfusion&origin=SWITCH_SEARCH_VERTICAL and https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/search/?currentJobId=3842407815&geoId=103644278&keyword[…]d%20States&origin=JOB_SEARCH_PAGE_SEARCH_BUTTON&refresh=true) • Facebook CFML Programmers Group (Can't link it right now because, somehow, Facebook is down) • https://www.getcfmljobs.com/#jobs channel here. I feel like that hits the vast majority of where CF folks are. Before you ask, Adobe cannot and will not run a jobs board for CF. I've asked. A lot. Hard no. There is simply too much liability. Even when we run the "find a job, find a dev" tables at Summit, we have to be very careful how we word it, lest a sniper from Adobe Legal take me out. They're pretty serious over there. So the question then is, how do we improve this? I don't think I have much choice being the hub that recruiters and CF folks go through, I'm incredibly visible on LinkedIn, and that's fine. And maybe what we have is "good enough" but I feel like that's not true. What's possible? How do we improve?